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Emmanuel Macron made his first trip

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meeting the French. It was in the Lower Rhine

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since the enactment of the pension law and his speech on Monday evening.

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And you can say that the crowd bath

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was quite rough, especially in Sélestat.

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He docked with Audrey Peace and followed him to Alsace.

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For me, I say that when you've been stabbed in the back,

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there is no appeasement possible.

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After mixed, we know stop

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sixty two years old,

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that's more than enough for us. Score, it boils,

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it moves in all the pots and pans. At the end,

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it's not the pots and pans that will move France forward.

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I don't think he's trying to talk.

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In fact, they're looking to make noise.

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If you're in a society, you only listen to people who want to make noise.

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Who is actually supposed to say

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I make noise to cover up words,

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you can't get away with it.

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But no.

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Do you really feel

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for calming the country for a long time?

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But listen, I don't believe in miraculous effects.

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I think you just need to

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keep explaining the others.

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There are people who are ready to hear who hear.

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Projects need to move forward.

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Really, we make concessions to improve it.

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So far, I didn't watch.

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I saw that I didn't have the first time

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that I hear people moaning at me.

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Only one thing is being asked of you, it's a sign of appeasement.

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And now, really, you can't see. But my question is. What do we do?

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So,

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we have a pension system, your generation today,

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if we don't do this reform, she won't have a pension. I no longer have the

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it's done,

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I'm not going. You were looking for democracy or the President of the Republic

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democratically elected makes for a fight.

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A few months ago, you said in another context,

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if the French are looking for someone in charge,

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that they're coming to get me what it is because they're doing it.

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That's right.

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There are people who disagree,

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they say it and they say it democratically.

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I need to say that calmly. So all of this is your responsibility.

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No but

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listen at the end, if you, if you need

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to know who was in the elections with a clear project,

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this one. We made concessions to improve. It is in front of you

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a heckled president,

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arrested but who absolutely had to return to contact the French.

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Couldn't stay like that, locked up in the Elysée, is cut off from the

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The world is French.

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For me, I asked myself that question all afternoon.

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And to tell you the truth,

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I think it was too early to go out and meet people.

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I think that's very courageous.

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And you empathize when you don't want to be in his place.

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But for me, I think it's too early to

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confront each other like that, right away, without barriers. I think it's

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for a president of the Republic. It's really

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difficult for him, for institutions.

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Sorry, say that, I,

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but an attack on the presidential image, and even more so on authority. 

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yes, I think

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that he should have caught,

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It's because in the last major crisis of the Yellow Vests, he chose

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the big debate in a closed space with local elected officials, tricolour scarf.

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Questions that were often prepared.

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You get the impression that it's the other way around, that is, the big debates,

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a free space

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under the open sky,

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a kind of double-sided version of the great debate.

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I think they like that.

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And according to the indications that we can get from the beginning, on January 10,

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he was on the back burner and let the government do its thing.

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The parliamentary path is he wanted to fight. I find his health.

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He looked for almost that. So, it still allows. We hear all day

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people say. You have a lousy government,

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corrupted,

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corrupt. We hear a fund all day

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very unpleasant and to the political class

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and to the President of the Republic, but not only that.

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It's double-edged, though. I think we can get that back on track.

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I understand very well the desire to restore social peace.

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He will definitely have to do it. If he succeeds, he will have to do it,

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more

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right away and without a filter, that's what you mean.

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Patrice with no filters at all.

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If he hadn't, we welcome the papers, we would have said.

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The president is locked up in the Élysée Palace, what is he doing?

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He could have gone there on the Yellow Vests.

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Indeed, we remember the great debate.

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You should also not forget the moments of

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confrontation where he was taken directly from Puy-en-Velay in particular,

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where it was mostly a dialogue with elected officials anyway.

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The media.

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After leaders faced with protests, popular anger,

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that's exactly the theme of your documentary President.

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The price to pay in front of the street,

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so twenty-ninth of April at twenty-one

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hours on Public Senate with testimonies.

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A pretty amazing cast,

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the testimonies of former presidents of the Republic,

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former prime ministers,

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that tells the story of power at the heart of reforms and protests.

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First witness, Nicolas Sarkozy who, in two thousand ten, one vote,

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once he has made a decision to raise the starting age to 62

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tells you that he won't give in anymore

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nine days.

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Nine days

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e blocages complets

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if you start shaking.

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But at that point,

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it's stepping on you

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because it smells

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A little bit you know it twitches up the shaft

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and when, pushing

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we break,

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that's not a possible alternative.

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From where

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the need to debate first

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debate first.

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Because that choice, at the time, that choice of 62 years,

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summarizes Nicolas Sarkozy, explained, eye to eye to Bernard Thibault,

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who was the leader of the CGT then?

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Yes, and he also talked to the Prime Minister about it, often,

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of course he wasn't on the same line as him,

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who wanted 63 years old.

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He said. It's sixty two.

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The difference with the sequence we just experienced,

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it's that he actually had a contact

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regular, not necessarily friendly.

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Based on what were direct movie scenes with Bernard Thibault,

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who was the boss of CGT at the time,

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I think it still made it possible to pass

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messages, either of appeasement or of firmness.

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But here's what Macron lacked these kinds of candid discussions,

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eye-to-eye, union officials,

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he did not receive them throughout the crisis, he received them.

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Before, it was his election campaign,

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that's not the case, not the case with Sarkozy.

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No, what's for sure,

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but he said like Sarkozy.

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Sarkozy says he was meeting Thibault and who told him Especially on the phone,

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he told her I won't back down.

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But deep down, Macron also said that from the start.

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From the start, it was gold, it didn't work.

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Maybe it's because, in addition, when Sarkozy is 62,

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we can think that maybe that's precisely what went wrong

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up to sixty three after right after a pension reform.

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So it's basically a kind of ball and we see each other during the show,

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it's a kind of ball is gone

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that all the inhabitants of the Republic. But there are some who succeed

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more than others. Calm things down.

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François Hollande was also confronted with the street when he wanted to get through the

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El Khomri's labor law is He too insists on the need for dialogue,

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even if you remember it,

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his prime minister Manuel Valls went through the forty-nine-three.

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I always wanted there to be a social dialogue and the partner who was the

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willing to be

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in the dialogue was the CFDT.

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In the first presentation of the of the El Aubry law,

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there was a provision that clashed with the CFDT.

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So I have very quickly

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remove this provision to allow that

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the dialogue can resume with the CFDT of the unions

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reformists and I didn't give in on the rest.

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We held out thanks to the Forty-nine three

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and and to a good understanding between the president of the

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Republic and myself and the Minister of Labor Myriam El Khomri,

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who was courageous, and the CFDT.

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Listening to François Hollande, we understand that we should not have offended the CFDT.

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We remember the incomprehension that marked

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this crisis between Emmanuel Macron and Laurent Berger,

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who have been having trouble talking to each other for the last two thousand seventeen.

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And we discovered or learned today that there's

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had friendship on Emmanuel Macron's side to host Emmanuel

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Macron assured of his respect for his friendship Berger

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who announced today that he is leaving that he is going to leave the

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the head of the CFDT next June.

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Without going all the way, I think it was very difficult.

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When you know them both, it's been very difficult for both of them

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and it was very difficult for Berger who rightly passed

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like a reformist syndicalist union but whose

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the only requirement was no age.

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Let's go with the semesters,

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we're doing it differently.

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He was re-elected to the CFDT for that, and so I think the way he appeared like that

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as if drowned in a global dispute and no longer being a trade unionist

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pages of government but political action.

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It must have been the

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give him problems throughout these weeks as much as Macron,

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but I was quite blown away by what he said today

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its condition you in the world which is absolutely remarkable

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and I think he's teaching a lesson anyway.

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A lot of politicians who want to hold out until 75,

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sometimes beyond in assemblies or even in government.

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Then it's really good

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Give an account of the two major French power plants

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that are led by women.

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In fact, today is a completely historic day

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nineteen April

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you have Sophie de lait and Marylise, Léon, Marylise, Léon it's magnificent